Ig Nutomic really hasn't changed his stance on their infamous DM and this time, it was on a public thread
On any of the donation threads where it came up and he replied to it, the most he ever did was some half hearted corporate PR "apology" (ironic)
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I am not supporting the Dessalines or his degenerate tankies. I use Windows, that doesn’t mean I “support” Microsoft.
I understand that. Similarly, just because Nutomic is working with Dessalines to code an open source software project doesn't imply that they share the exact same beliefs.
I don't get how your analogy relates to this discussion. I'm not sure what it is that you think you're fighting against, but I disagree with your aggressive and judgmental approach. It seems to me that you are provoking unecessary conflict against the wrong people.
I am pointing out that your tone comes as condescending and paternalistic "Sometimes in life..." considering Dessalines openly supports mass killings, promotes russian propaganda and claims all facts that don't align with his worldview are a CIA conspiracy.
It is reasonable to question Nutomic's association with Dessalines. It's not a matter of being rigid in your views and not having an appreciation for a "big tent" approach. A big tent approach is not a deus ex machina that magically solves anything and everything. There are times when it viable and there are times when it is not.
Furthermore, the issue is not black and white. There are many other options available. Nutomic can take over Lemmy development while Dessalines can admin/mod ML and grad (and tankies can give him money for it). Nutomic can replace his Che Guevara avatar with something neutral, like the Lemmy mouse with a tool icon to highlight that he is a Lemmy dev.
This is clearly a major issue. Just look at the funding request thread on LW. I am not the only one who is unhappy with the tankie affiliation. Even on other social networks, Lemmy has a reputation as being infested with tankies, this is a clear blocker for growth.
I am being condescending because I consider your perspective to be naive and short sighted.
You're a person who makes judgments about others based on hearsay and attacks them without even doing a bare minimum of research to validate whether the rumors you heard were true. You're a person who is more than happy to calumniate others for little to no reason while being oblivious to your own flaws.
In my view, users who believe the world revolves around them and relentlessly attack and shame anyone who doesn't accept their version of reality are a much bigger obstacle to the growth of Lemmy than the tankie reputation. Many tankies fit that description, but so do many non-tankies, such as yourself in this case.
As someone who possesses open-mindedness and empathy, it's incredibly frustrating to watch so many lemmings act so self-righteous and judgmental towards each other, while pretending their own shit doesn't stink. I'm trying to help contribute and build towards a diverse and healthy online forum for open intellectual discussion, but it seems that the vast majority of people are too immature to realize such a goal.
For you something like denying mass killings seems to be of no importance. This is not the case for most people. It is not exclusive to my worldview.
Dessalines views and actions (that are well documented) are so extreme that there will be pushback when someone collaborates with him. Lecturing people is not going to change that.
The obstacles to growth is having a member of the development team who spews degenerate tankie bullshit (while almost certainly never having lived in Ukraine or knowing Ukrainian).
You claim to be for open-mindedness and empathy. Yet you are not open to any other actions (I provided examples in my previous) other than full acceptance of Nutomic's affiliation with Dessalines and his despicable bullshit.
But you do you man. I think anyone reading this thread can come to their own conclusions about who is immature or not.
Everything exists on a spectrum. You're choosing to see things in black and white, but that doesn't correspond to reality. I am absolutely certain that you hold political views that many other people would characterize as unacceptable and unethical. However, I also recognize that even though you may be wrong about certain things, that doesn't completely erase your value as a human being. I can only hope that you someday come to understand this fact.
You keep ignoring the fact that Nutomic can disassociate with Dessalines if he wanted to (not to mention Dessalines degeneracy).
You clearly have nothing else to say beyond passive-aggressive personal attacks.
I am done here.
You could disassociate with Dessalines by stopping using Lemmy. But you choose not to. Why do you continue to associate yourself with Dessalines by using Lemmy?
Perhaps because your association with Dessalines is motivated by something completely tangential to his political stances? Then you ought to understand that the same is likely true for Nutomic.
You're holding people to an impossible standard that you yourself are unable to live up to.