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World Boxing to introduce mandatory sex testing for all boxers

worldboxing.org World Boxing to introduce mandatory sex testing for all boxers - World Boxing

World Boxing will introduce mandatory sex testing, to determine the eligibility of male and female athletes that want to take part in its competitions. The introduction of mandatory testing will be part of a new policy on “Sex, Age and Weight” to ensure the safety of all participants and deliver a c...

In light of plans to introduce this policy and the particular circumstances surrounding some boxers that competed at the Paris 2024 Olympic Games, World Boxing has written to the Algerian Boxing Federation to inform it that Imane Khelif will not be allowed to participate in the female category at the Eindhoven Box Cup or any World Boxing event until Imane Khelif undergoes sex testing.

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I had a sex test done recently. The results were negative.
- Genitalia: unremarkable
  
  Hold on. Wait a minute.
  It's cold and I need fluffing.
- "THERE WAS SHRINKAGE!"

Nice; how much sex do they need to have to pass the test?
- at least fifty thrusts
- It isn't about the quantity. Its about the quality.

Olympics testing sex means they will be testing women, and never men, it means they'll come up with a test that requires different representatives of different competing nations to agree a woman doesn't technically qualify as a woman despite her fully functioning uterus, and again they'll be invasive and humiliating and poor countries will have twice or more disqualified athletes, they will go after women of color twice as hard, and the more extreme countries they send these women back to live in will treat these women horrifyingly bad.
- In a way they do testing on men in sports all the time. They test for testosterone levels for one to see if the athlete is not utilizing Performance Enhancing Drugs (PEDs).
  But I also haven’t read the article on the methodology they will be going to be utilizing.
- Generally because the differences in male and female biology mean that ftm athletes are coming in at a disadvantage and only risk end up being hurt themselves by male athletes who generally have them at a disadvantage. Mtf athletes however, due to the aspects of male physiology that remain, have a higher likelihood of having an advantage over female athletes and also posing a danger to the other athletes. This is generally why most womens categories were introduced in the first place (female physical disadvantage).
  Especially in martial arts and combat sports like boxing, which are already inherently dangerous, the physical safety of the athletes and protecting them must come above more ephemeral goals such as inclusion in my view.
  As it stands with current day medical technology, there are limits to how close a transitioning individual can be changed to resemble the opposing gender.
  Given how deep the differences are physiologically between the sexes with things such as lyonization I'm not entirely sure that it will ever be possible to fully transition a person outside of weird and ethically questionable future tech such as vat-growing a genetically modified clone and somehow transferring the consciousness of the person.
  
  There are several cases in sports already where people who are born women and have a female phenotype and genotype, but have naturally higher levels of testosterone, who have been banned from competition.
  The message they use is the they're "protecting women" but it isn't actually the goal. Often there aren't any cases of transgender athletes outperforming their cis opponents, yet they still try to create these rules. It's frequently actively harmful to many cisgendered women.
  The problem with all of this is the "basic biology" crowd never learn that biology is really fucking complex. What they learn in grade school is not the totality of biology, yet they assume they must be experts and force their very limited and wrong views on other people. It's bad and harmful and siding with them makes them feel all the more justified in their crusade of bullshit and misinformation.
  
  citation needed
  
  What are you talking about? This is not about transgender at all. For those you could require a birth certificate. This is targeting women that are born as girls but, due to genetic anomalies, do not appear as such on genetic tests. Many (most?) would never discover the genetic anomaly during their lifetime.
- Because women don't want to become men so often. It's mostly men identifying as a woman for some reason and yelling about their right to be a woman.
  
  No both happen, people just have a much bigger problem when an assigned man transitions to woman.
  
  Source?

Just like penis inspection day in gym class
- Ah good times. I wonder why coach needed to take pictures though.

I've been trying to make "You're a regular Imane Khelif!" happen (e.g. you're a superwoman). Or "That hits like Imane Khelif". Don't let shitheads write her narrative, you care more than they do, so drop it if you get a chance.

Fucking assholes. From what is known about their sex test, it is similarly scientific to the "I know it when I see it" rule from the 1960s to determine if something is obscene. In other words, utter bullshit.
And all of this pretending to care about women while at the same time you have abuse scandals in sports every five minutes that never seem to have real consequences or result in positive change for the athletes.
Yeah, I don't believe you one bit when you say you want to protect women.

The peak of being afraid of girls

To an extent, I am okay with this. All it would take is one male beating the ever living shit out of a female for people to raise hell. I don’t see this as the males being afraid of the females, as much as boxing be afraid of the double standard consequences.
- Woah dude you're in danger of sounding like a bigot
  /s
  
  I care if a male fights a female about as much as I care if I get called a bigot or not. I don’t. I’m not a sensitive cuck like Trump or MAGA in general. I’m just sick of the fucking double standards for this shit. Not by the leagues, conference, division, whatever governing body. But by the masses. The US has already proven that that about 50% of the population are total morons. The masses are the ones that can’t handle male vs female in sports. If a female can fight males, go for it. Let’s do it and find the best. I just don’t want to hear shit when a male beats a female, or when a female beat a male…other than congrats and GG.

Unlikely, but it would be hilarious if some self-proclaimed alpha male found out the hard way that he is in fact intersex.
- And those tiny number of edges cases need to be highlighted to show it does indeed happen. With biology, there is rarely ever truely binary. Biology is too mushy.

So much more fun if you believe it to be a test of skill instead of the depressing reality.

"Bad lay, can't box."
- You joke but this sort of shit does tend to lead so sexual harassment at the very least.

"None of these guys can fuck, it's over for this sport."

If you pay someone to pass the sex test does that count as doping?

Sex testing should be allowed but any time someone calls for sex testing and gets it incorrect the boxer 2should get one good punch in on them

Wtf are they gonna do? Check if there is a vagina? Uterus? DNA? If you are insensitive to testosterone but with SRY (the gene responsible for sexual differentiation during fetal development), you end up AFAB, but without uterus. Is this woman enough? (You even lack testoserone)
- You could read the article, it states it's a chromosome test. Not that I agree with this, but its a bad look to react without doing the bare minimum
  
  They are going to find out chromosomes are super complicated. There are XY AFAB cis women and we don't actually know how common they are because we don't test for it.
- PCR testing for the SRY gene, according to the press release linked at the top.

I'm not sure how the WBO is still recognized as a legitimate operation. They're horribly corrupt already and this is just another opportunity to fix fights rather than any commentary on current politics.

Imagine kinda masculine looking female tests female. I want to see their faces
- We already saw what they do, it's what they did to Imane Khelif
  
  Its what they are about to do to her as well, as they already explicitly announced she will have to undergo this testing before her next competition, or she wont be allowed to fight

The only kind of sex testing I am okay with, is making sure condoms and sex toys work properly by actually using them on myself.
- Alright, this one still fucks! Congratulations! Noe get out there and punch somebody!
  
  Should I be wearing a condom on my fist when I punch Nazis? I don't wanna catch whatever they have...

Athletes that are deemed to be male at birth, as evidenced by the presence of Y chromosome genetic material (the SRY gene) or with a difference of sexual development (DSD) where male androgenization occurs, will be eligible to compete in the male category.
Athletes that are deemed to be female at birth, as evidenced by the presence of XX chromosomes or the absence of Y chromosome genetic material (the SRY gene) or with a DSD where male androgenization does not occur, will be eligible to compete in the female category.
Oh wow. What's social construction? points

Men pretending to be a woman boding other real women. Perfectly fair.

Looks like I need to post this again.
- Alpha bros gonna be real upset that the Typical biological male is a the pink end of the spectrum 😂
- Dang. It's almost like determining someone's sex is hard to do.
- Thanks for sharing. I never seen it before.
- That's a nice infographic, but must we not draw a vertical line somewhere on that spectrum to say what is allowed in women's sport? It seems unreasonable to allow everything on the spectrum as women's sports would be dominated by people from the male end of the spectrum.
  
  Sure, but do you think that's the test they're doing? Are they testing for the various SRY mutations? Multiple X chromosomes? Multiple Y? Genes that impact hormone regulation?
  There are certainly issues with sport categories that are designed to be for something other than the elite in their field, but I don't expect nuance from the same groups that banned a boxer because she wasn't sufficiently attractive.
- Do you have a higher res copy that isn't so difficult to read?
  
  I don't, but I can provide an article with the infographic included.

To check whether they’ve had it recently or just ever?

Meanwhile in the near future: world boxing to end needless sex testing to save costs.

They're gonna discover the same thing they did in the Olympics that made them stop testing.
It was making people uncomfortable how many of them had the wrong sex assigned at birth.
Women and men who had lived their entire lives as one sex realized they actually had the chromosomes for the opposite sex.
- The irony if transphobia founders over cis gender dysphoria will be breathtaking.
  
  what does this sentence even mean
- There were stages and layers of sex testing within Olympics history, and every time they got mis-classifications they weren't expecting.
  We figured out by the 50s that a gender binary was not imperically proveable. Too many variables that varied seperate from each other and often conflicted with each other.
- What? Really? Didnt know this.
  
  https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sex_verification_and_intersex_athletes_at_the_Olympic_Games
  The history of sex testing for sports is really interesting, for me it's interesting because despite almost 100 years of the practice not a single "male imposter" has ever been found.
  And I was mistaken. Like another comment on this post says they just stopped testing in men's sports.

The international rise of the Cult of Naturalism and the growing prevalence of their ur-eugenics pseudoscience is horrifying to watch. Like so many other actively harmful ideologies and policies I don’t see any non-violent solutions.

So much pointless and cruel bullshit over fucking sport, and one of the stupidest sports no less.
- Yes, this is the cruel part, not the part where the point is to punch the other person until they have enough trauma they lose consciousness.
  Not allowing biological men to punch biological women until they fall down? That's the real fascism.
- Put a male In with female boxing and see how fair the match ends. It's not about cruelty it's about basic muscular differences between sexes.
  
  I'd rather fight Tate than Khelif, that's for sure. One of the two knows how to move, the other one knows how to be angry.
  
  yikes I cannot believe your name 😬 you're basically spouting off right wing anti trans propaganda.
  I'd suggest you learn a bit more about transitioning, trans women are not just dudes in dresses. and medical transition destroys theuscle gains you get from being a dude.
  I can tell you this first hand, I went from jacked dude bro to not even being able to open a jar.i have to asky bf these days LMAO. by the way, professional women athletes can comfortably destroy any random guy, it's honestly insulting to have this conversation as if it's anything but more senseless rage bait to paint targets on our backs.
  nobody understands just what transitioningeams or what it does, how sex works
  how cis women can literally have testosterone just like a cis guy...like it's all just hate
  also I guarantee moone says shit about trans men in male sports it's literally just hate. if they really cared about fairness they'd do testing for hormone levels and weight differences and class everyone fairly regardless of sex lol.
  I sincerely can't wait for all the broken brains after this Argentinian chiccs test results come back. it's so fucking cruel what they are saying about her. to suggest she is trans just. because she makes a bunch of weak minded people feel insecure in their understandings of how biology works lol
  bein trans is not allowed in Argentina, she's just masculine cis woman, and I'm sure these cronies know this, they just want to take every opportunity to pass judgement on women specifically under some virtue signalling bullshit
  they don't care about fairness if they did Imsurance companies wouldn't happily deny a cancer victim. they wouldn't get off on struggling students whoe graduated sid everything right and still end up homeless
  it's all just silly imo, we're so pathetic as a species sometimes it makese sad
  
  They’re specifically targeting Imane Khelif, a female in female boxing.
  
  Why wouldn't they then measure testosterone levels instead? What if a trans man fights a woman, because he has a vagina? Is that a fair fight?

World Boxing has written to the Algerian Boxing Federation to inform it that Imane Khelif will not be allowed to participate in the female category at the Eindhoven Box Cup or any World Boxing event until Imane Khelif undergoes sex testing.
Phew, that was close, they almost had to pick a pronoun.

Regardless of where you stand on this issue one thing is fact. Republicans love this issue because it wins them elections over and over and will continue well into the future. Think your going to vote Trumps and his kind out of politics while fighting hard on this issue? People are terrified to vote Democrat just on this and the bathroom points alone. Gay rights/acceptance have come very far in my lifetime, and that is awesome but we are on the edge of losing ALL of those hard won fights while facing full on fascism world over if we don't strategically/temporarily retreat on 'some' issues until we have power and minds again. Take the wins and fight another day, the masses are too divided over this issue at this point in history thus causing weakened voting power blocs while the right is strongly united. I know for a fact there are many rightwing plants everywhere pretending to be left leaning using these talking points to divide us. A smart person picks when, where and how they fight, if winning is the goal.
- Yeh, it was this and not shrieking about immigrants or the economy.
  Get a clue
  
  I'm gay. A political scientist with a PhD in statistics and have spent most of my adult life working in Washington. I would never make a statement like that unless I had the actionable data with a negligible margin of error. There is a reason I have not replied back to that thread, need a clue? You just read it.
- That’s the same thing they said about gay rights in the 90’s though
- Political wins, humanization and support for the existence of non-cis people, it's potato potahto to you right?

It’s funny how the west will punish us for not accepting LGBTQ+ but will turn around and saying that an ALGERIAN contestant is using LGBTQ+ propaganda to progress. As if the algerian population are accepting of LGBTQ… people of algeria has marched the streets in support of Imane Khelif during the olympics. I don’t think algerian people would proudly march for someone who is openly LGBTQ
Idk maybe european women are weak 🥀

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