Oh, it's totally fucked up and I do agree that Europe should proactively work against Dogey America.

My point is that Europe militarily intervening in an American Civil War doesn't have enough upsides for Europe to offset the downsides.

I was born in Portugal, a country which was back then under a Fascist Dictatorship.

It was a dirt poor European country were things were so bad that it got Food Aid from other countries.

Fortunatelly, there was a Revolution not long after I was born. In the 5 - 10 years after the Revolution quality of life and average wealth in my country went up dramatically.

In my own country, Fascism came to power when the Finance Minister during Republican years who saved the country from Financial Ruin, just captured power and made himself President - so yeah, starting from a very low point Fascism can improve things a bit for a while, but it doesn't take that many years for it to turn the whole thing into shit and that's what happenned in Portugal.

Fascists might sometimes cause a little Economic bump if they take over from a very low point (the same happenned with the Nazis in Germany), but it never lasts, and the ones in America are already going at it so ineptly and haphazardously that I bet there's not going to be any Economic bump.

The Fascists are incompetent as fuck and seriously regressive, so they eventually drag down any nations they take over once the cummulative side effects of their actions have time to work through the system. As America is already in a post-Imperial decay stage, Fascism will just accelerate that decay.

From your own link: "This data set, which includes only official deaths in which identification could be confirmed"

Who did most of the counting and identification? The Gazan Hospitals that Israel blew up.

Corpses shoved to mass graves by IDF soldiers (who have even posted photos and videos of doing it) don't get counted, much less "identified". And don't get me started op those burried under the rubble of bombed buildings, especially once the Israelis started targetting ambulances and rescue services.

That kind of shit is like mid Nazi Holocaust claiming there were no deaths in Auchwitz, since the Nazis didn't care to keep track of the identity of those they killed hence the count of "official deaths in which identification could be confirmed" was zero.

"The Lancet is a weekly peer-reviewed general medical journal"

(Source)

Yeah, I suspect you're right.

Yeah, right, it's because you're wholly apolitical and concerned above all with the plight of Palestinians that under an article about Evidence pointing to Israel's continued used of Starvation to inflict Genocide on Palestinians you felt the need to explicitly make it about Trump and mentioned no other of the many supporters and enablers of Israel and its Genocide

Go pull the other one.

If you weren't trying to bring in your pet peeve in American politics you would've just said "America" (since the whole fucking political mainstream there are Genocide enablers) or, even better, mention all of the most egregious supporters of Israel and its Genocide: America, Britain and Germany (in all of which, curiously, the whole fucking political mainstream are Genocide enablers).

You're confusing "not being counted because the Gaza Hospitals were they did the counting were destroyed by Israel" with "not occurring".

There was a study published in the Lancet Medical Journal about 6 months ago that back then estimated around 200k Palestinian dead even while the official figures remained stuck around the 50k mark since about 3 months into the invasion (when most Hospitals in Gaza were destroyed).

You're parroting Zionist propaganda and I don't really know if it's because you yourself have fallen for it or some other, malevolent, reasons.

(Given that you're doing this under an article about how Amnesty International gathered evidence that Israel is "using starvation of civilians as a weapon of war against Palestinians", I know which of those two possibilities I would bet on)

They're activelly destroying Science in the US, pretty much guaranteeing their own fatal weakening in the mid and long term if they did win and ended up controlling North America.

With the notable exception of the US ending up using nukes and causing the end of the World, there is no way Europe would lose more from merely letting present day America eat itself up than it would from militarily intervening in a civil war in the US, because even a win by the Neo Confederates would yield a weakened American in the short term (because of the destruction of a Civil War) and even more in the long term because of their anti-Science stance, and likely braindrain.

(People seriously underestimate the likelihood of rich countries regressing. To give you an example, Argentina used to be the 5th weathiest country in the World and look at them now. America absolutelly would end up regressing, FAST, if the MAGA crowd with the policies it is already practicing gained absolute power).

Not to say that many Americans who aren't Neo Confederates wouldn't deserve the help, just saying that pragmatically speaking letting America consume itself would be better for Europe than militarily intervening in an American civil war.

Now, if this was 40 or 50 years ago it would be different, but present day America isn't a force for good and there being a EU gives Europe enough strength as a team to stand up by itself to powers like China and Russia if they try anything, so there both isn't all that much good (for the World as a whole) in America to be worth saving and Europe doesn't actually require American support.

It's about Russia and it's militarist expansionism, not about Trump.

For crying out loud, stop trying to score political points in US politics when murdering brown people and helping Israel do so is the ultimate bipartisan subject in the US.

You can find differences between the two "sides" in US politics on some subjects (though often the distance is fag paper thin). but in this they're on the same side, with at most the only difference being that the Democract establishment would rather Israel was a bit more quiet in their mass murdering.

I started calling this a New Holocaust ever since it became obvious that Israel was trying to starve Palestinians to death.

I think the profound contrast between the reaction from the British "Authorities" to the Russian invasion of Ukraine and to the Israeli Genocide in Gaza, disproves the idea that it's all about money, especially given that there was a lot more money being made from Russia than can be made from Israel.

I mean, a musician is right now being investigated by the British Police for shouting his desire for death to the invader, genocidal army that's purposefully mass murdering children - that of Israel - whilst nobody in Britain was ever investigated by police for wanting the death of members of the invading Russian army in Ukraine, even though the latter is barelly targetting civilians and never explicitly children (unlike the former).

Racism, extreme and profound Racism even, is the most reasonable explanation for such a massive disconnect in their reaction to those two different aggressors in proportion to the crimes they're committing, more so given that a money reason would yield an unbalanced reaction in the very opposite direction.

Exactly.

The problem is those countries were the 19th century colonialist mindset isn "something we fortunately left behind" but instead is alive and well.

They'll formally apologize, as talk is cheap, and then do nothing further.

And no, I'm not at all kidding or exaggerating: this is THE most common strategy in British Political and Social Elite circles for getting rid of such "problems" when denying it doesn't work.

Deny it, deny it was a problem, deny it was systemic, apalogize and claim it was too long ago and it's pointless to do anything about it now, is a well travelled multi-step strategy in British politics (THE main strategy, even) to avoid actual consequences for their actions or lack of action.

Certainly the posh ones will tell you they value your input as you scream from the pain due the knife they plunged into your back.

And the elites over there still think Genocide is absolutely fine as long as its Whites doing it to non-Whites, hence their support for Israel and its Genocide.

Britain is maybe the best example there is of an European country which culturally didn't evolve much from 19th century thinking, at various levels (their political system, too, is an earlier, partial form of Democracy easily subverted).

Plenty of people over there who do have a XXI century mindset, but those aren't the ones with actual Power.

Everything that can be used to manipulate the masses is a tool of Capitalism.

Even anti-Discrimination movements are often made a tool of Capitalism (haven't you noticed all sorts of exploitative large companies going "rainbow"?).

Here however, I don't think the masses are siding with the Genociders. Granted a ton of effort has been put into trying to make the masses do so (more so in some countries than others), but the scale of the depravity of the Genociders is so extreme and undeniable that it isn't working anymore, so it's mainly the power elites who keep supporting Israel.

Mind you, Racism is definitely being leveraged (both Islamophobia and the positive prejudice towards Jewish People which is really just a cultivated variant of pro-White prejudice - "Israel has Western Values") to try and manipulate the masses, but I don't think the drive amongst those in power for pushing the masses that way is a Capitalist one as it's not clear that all that much is gained monetarily from supporting these Genociders.

Racism is a tool to manipulate the masses, but the power elites themselves aren't immune to it and hence are also driven by it at times, Capitalism or no Capitalism.

Oh, don't discount the Racism.

People aren't being investigated by police for criticizing Russia.

If it was only about money, they wouldn't have reacted as they did to Russia's invasion of Ukraine given all the money many were making from Russian fossil fuels and mineral wealth.

The big difference in the reaction to Russia's Genocide in Ukraine and to Israel's Genocide in Gaza (which is way worse both in numbers and in how many of the civilians being murdered are small children) is that in Ukraine the victims are Whites as are the aggressors whilst in Gaza the victims are (brown) Muslims whilst the aggressors are Whites.

At least amongst the power elites, especially in places like the US, UK and Germany, White Colonialism isn't just this old 19th century practice we fortunatelly left behind, rather it's a way of viewing the world which very much alive and widelly held.

There's a huge difference in that between the UK and countries further to the south: for example, pretty much all dwellings in Portugal have outside window shutters whilst in the UK it's incredibly rare (instead they have inside heavy courtains, so the light goes into the house and the INSIDE gets absorbed by transformed into heat by the courtains) but on the other hand housing insulation is generaly complete total crap in Portugal, but less so in the UK (still not at Scandinavia or Russian levels of efficiency, but way better than Portugal) so in Winter unless one uses massive amounts of electricity/gas for heating, it's literally colder indoors in Portugal than in Britain.

At the very least both Portugal and Spain are much better adapted to higher temperatures than elsewhere in Europe, and that's anchored on traditional techniques (such as outside window shutters, houses painted in light colors and the type of roofing used) rather than the brute-force energy-heavy techniques (such as heavy use of Aircon) so common in places like the US.

Well, that depends on whether the Atlantic Meridional Overturning Circulation stops working or not as that's what, for example, means that Lisbon which is roughly at the same latitude as New York has a temperature which is about 5 - 10C higher.

One of the weirdest effect of Global Warming might very well be that the westernmost parts of Europe get colder (though who knows what other side effects the stopping of the AMOC will bring beyond reducing the temperature moderating effects of the Atlantic along the Westernmost coasts of Europe).