What are you even talking about lol. Wow your psychosis is bad.
If imperialism and colonialism is justifiable because we as outsiders find a practice abhorrent. Then you have just justified what the United States did to my family. Stealing their homes culture and religion. Would I have wanted to live as they did? Probably not. But we were never given the choice. Because it was stolen. This is what your advocating for. This is why you are rightfully called a hypocrite.
I get that you've never thought about it that far. That you aren't actually against anything bad that's happening. You are simply a Pro Vanguard campist unquestioningly. I'm sure you've never considered that someone could criticize one group's acts without defending anothers. That two things can be bad at the same time. And one bad thing does not justify another bad thing.
No I'm simply stating that changing one brainwashing for another is not helping. And the reason I haven't answered any of your questions is because you haven't asked any questions. You've been making a lot of false accusations.
Quote a single thing I said that was pro religious. You love to build strawmen. But have nothing of actual value to say. Typical leninist.
I qualify as a communist, why would I be pushing anti-communist propaganda. I'm simply pointing out your hypocrisy and the hypocrisy of leninism. You're not a communist.
Nice strawman you got there. This has nothing to do with what I believe or don't believe Beyond I believe people should have a right to self-determination. I realize that childish leninists are so cock sure and think they know better. Wanting to force their own backward beliefs on everyone else. As much as these Tibetan Monks do. Two wrongs don't make a right.
And I mean as someone coming from a leninist instance it's extremely hilarious that you act as if not having political representation is a bad thing. Political representation actual political representation is denied to wide swaths of people under a Vanguard.
Regarding your laughable whataboutism. I absolutely believe that Guam should be given the right to vote for president if they desire and that the United States should recognize them. Hey quick question when is China going to give the Uyghurs the right to self-determination and to vote? Oh oh that's right, China gave up the right to vote for president completely.
Not at all. The fact of the matter is many of the people in that region and culture View things differently than you and I do. If they gave people the option to relocate and escape the reach of this monastery. You honestly wouldn't see many people take it. Which is more or less the point. All this may sound horrific to you and i. As does tribal body mutilation etc. But to those tribes and cultures it is part of their culture.
If China actually cared about the people. Rather than forcing the monastery closed and them to abandon their religion/culture. They would simply offer to relocate them away from the monastery if they feared for their children.
Without children and followers to harness. The religion would die on its own. Even as the general culture would endure. China explicitly does not want that. China specifically is trying to oppress and eradicate cultural differences.
People are 100% Justified to call China out on this. And in doing so are not defending all of tibet's actions. Two things can be wrong at the same time. All sides can be wrong at the same time. This is one of those cases. There is no defense of China or Tibet here. China is not doing this out of some goodness of their heart or humanitarian need. Simply their own selfish goals.
So colonialism/imperialism is okay? Either it is or it isn't. All I'm asking for is consistency.
It's 100% possible to find beliefs and practices of cults and cultures to be abhorrent. But also acknowledge that trying to forcefully change things. Almost invariably backfires. As well as undermining any moral stance you may have once had.
Or other "western" nations. I've never knowingly met someone staunchly ml. That was from an area formerly or currently ml.
Talking to someone from China etc you generally will not hear them specifically shit on their government. Mostly because the government will come knocking and threatening violence as they did with Naomi. But you will catch them nervously deflecting to justifying it. Acknowledging it without speaking of it. Though even that could not save Naomi.
Hilariously Lemmy.ml is blocked in China. Where a lot of other Lemmy instances aren't strictly.
Huh, I genuinely consume more British TV than I do US TV. And I'm well aware and familiar with someone getting "shot dead". That's clear. But putting the subject after the description just sorry of jackknifes the temporal understanding. Mayor shot dead. "Oh they were killed" Vs shot dead mayor "why are they shooting a corpse".
I mean, I guess dead is an adjective. Which is often used before a subject to describe it. So grammatically it's "correct". If obtuse. But then I'm sure there are phrasings Americans use like that.
The headline gore is real.
How is that not taking away autonomy? That's kind of literally the definition of. They aren't appealing for them to close the monastery on their own. They are forcing it.
You and I can both state plainly that the practices are harmful. And even justify the assertion. We would never subject ourselves to it by choice. But that's the thing it has to be a choice. Give them other choices other opportunities. That is absolutely fine.
But the moment you enact your beliefs upon others through violence. It doesn't matter if you are factually correct. You are no longer the "good guy". You've lost the argument. If you cannot make the case for it on merits alone.
There is a very good reason concepts of imperialism and colonization are frowned upon these days. Why you don't see many groups talking about going out and civilizing savages. These are the so-called "good intentions" that the proverbial road to Hell is paved with. The same sort of justification that they used to separate my grandmother from her family. And sent her to special schools. The kind that in many places often ended up with mass Graves of children.
Would that be worth taking away his autonomy and will without consent?
Make all the misguided excuses you want for what China is doing. It won't make it right. It was wrong when the United States did it to my family. And it is wrong when China is doing it now.
If China wants to help them. Then offer them opportunity and choice. If the opportunities and choice are better. Their culture will adapt and change to it. Forcing eradication of their culture through violence will only breed resentment and grievance.
One China and all. Oh other people exist? Reeeeeeeeeeeeeeee one China!
Rindeed raggy
Aaaah FairPoint I made a bad assumption. I should know better than that LOL. (Edit : this post is on world on Lemmy.world. only Lemmy.ml from the triad can interact ATM. So you all actually do get a small reprieve)
They did not Federate at all for a long time. Until they did. And that's when a lot of the issues started to occur. When they tried to enforce their Echo chamber outside the echo chamber. Discovering they were no longer the big fish, their ponds now dwarfed.
Since then a lot of ML have largely pulled back to their safe spaces. At least from our side of things. Still silent down voting, and about 5-6 recognizable names consistently offering detached/unhinged takes from the domains not blocked.
You won't see any from that domain as it is defederated. But we should see several soon from ml domains and a few other domains. Telling us how he deserved to be jailed for advocating for democracy against the vanguard. Which is democracy incarnate. You can choose from them them or them after all.
That or they will attack the messenger, claiming that the events never happened. Because they don't like the messenger. That they were somehow a western CIA plant Etc.
Yes, they said they were imprisoned. 😛
Who's we? I'm calling both out.
Yep. And their action doesn't justify or excuse China's or vice versa. It's bad regardless who's doing it.