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  • That's not Trump being right, that's Trump hanging all of America's allies out to dry. A more serious effort to support Ukraine would make it functionally impossible for Russia to threaten Europe. More staunch support for NATO from the US would forestall any attempt at Russian aggression. The EU are setting military funding targets far beyond what Trump demanded, because this has nothing to do with Trump's demands and everything to do with his litany of failures.

  • I'm genuinely struggling to believe that you're being anything other than intentionally disingenuous here, because it's hard to imagine how anyone operating in good faith could manage to miss a point so completely and utterly.

    But on the off chance that you're serious; the logic is that purpose has far more moral weight to it than means. Punching out a Nazi to save the black man he was trying to beat to death in the gutter is a morally good thing to do. Punching out a trans person because you're a hateful bigot is a morally bad thing to do. Do I need to elaborate on that? I feel like I shouldn't have to, but then it feels like I shouldn't have to be explaining any of this.

    If you were in a sealed room with a thousand starving children, a padlocked shipping container full of food labelled "Property of Jeff Bezos", and a set of bolt-cutters, what would you do? Because if the answer is anything other than "Break the lock open", your entire moral system is completely and utterly fucked, and I do not know how to explain it to you any more plainly than that. If you actually believe that property rights are more important than human lives, then I honestly think you might need serious and extensive therapy to undo whatever damage has been done to you.

  • Yeah, I'm all for pro-Palestine activism; fully support this cause, and I have no moral objections to destroying some property to do it. Human lives are more important than inanimate objects. But I really wish they could have come up with a version of this plan that didn't involve fucking over Ukraine.

    Unfortunately I suspect a lot of these people may be of the stripe of Leftist that treats anything relating to war - including arming the victims of unprovoked territorial aggression - as morally wrong, meaning they likely saw this as killing two birds with one stone.

  • Yes. People are more important than property. If your reaction to vandalism in service of protesting a genocide is to be upset about the vandalism, you need to sit back and really think about whether your moral compass needs some recalibration.

  • What I find darkly fascinating about this "eat the cost" strategy is that if you were to dare suggest taxing Walmart more, Trump's fans would call you a commie librul socialist who just wants handouts. But when Trump demands that they subsidize his agenda suddenly they're all for it.