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Carney's Liberal party wins Canadian election and completes a stunning turnaround fueled by Trump

apnews.com Carney wins Canadian election, while Conservative leader loses his seat in Parliament

The Liberals are projected to win more of Parliament’s 343 seats than the Conservatives, though it wasn’t clear yet if they would win an outright majority, which would allow them to pass legislation without needing help.

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I cannot wait to see how the Trump admin will spin this. Either that or they have a meltdown and immediately call it a rigged election. Bonus points if he tells Canadians to storm their capital.
- They are 100% going to say our election was rigged, and our idiots are going to believe them.
  
  Club your idiots with baseball bats. Or cricket bats. Or whatever bats you use up there.
  
  excerpt of facebook comments Ive seen since last night
  "this country is a disgrace"
  " sad day for canada"
  "fucking rigged!"
  "west time to become 51st state"
  "alberta saskatchewan manitoba 51st state of USA!"
  "time to secede"
  "trump will save alberta"
  " insert conspiracy here already picked their candidate, our votes dont count"
  "time to leave"
  accusations of Chinese meddling
  accusaions of European meddling
  accusations of Globalist meddling
- I'll be a little surprised if he addresses it more than a passing comment - the US conservative population doesn't actually give a shit about canada (unless they're told to be mad about it for some specific scapegoaty reason, but they'll just forget. Like they've all forgotten about the lumber issues, or eggs, or how 'canada is killing the US garment industry' that one was cute...). At this point he's got enough other things to distract them with, so why waste his very limited attention span on something he's declared a solved issue?
- There should be a bingo sheet.
  
  Please, I am begging you, do not make this sheet. Right wing media will pick up on it, the golden one will catch wind of it, and it will become an achievement checklist. Please do not.

As a dumbass American... Go Canada! Fuck yeah good work!
- yes, it is so relieving that this right wing populist trend seems to be failing in our closest neighbor. Hopefully the failure of this administration will wake a lot more places up, and create a greater push back against this trend to the far right.

Bro I need gaslighting lessons from PP; how is he losing his riding, losing an election he has polled 20+ points in the lead in for almost two years, and yet gives a speech where he not only says he will stay on as leader, but makes it seem like losing the election was his desired outcome??
Really sad about Jagmeet and the NDP wipeout tbh. I know why it happened, but if I'm not mistaken the universal pharma and dentalcare we have now were initiatives pushed by the NDP that the Liberals get credit for because they were the ones holding the PM seat.
- "if I'm not mistaken"
  That's how the NDP loses, even someone who seems to have a minimum of interest in politics isn't sure that it was the NDP that got us that. Yes, they forced Trudeau's hand on that question.
- Jagmeet was getting wiped out regardless. The fatigue that existed for Trudeau was also present for Singh and Pollievre.
- but if I’m not mistaken the universal pharma and dentalcare we have now were initiatives pushed by the NDP that the Liberals get credit for because they were the ones holding the PM seat.
  No one who has any political awareness would give the liberals credit for that. That was the NDP's contribution.
  
  No one who has any political awareness would give the liberals credit for that. That was the NDP’s contribution.
  A lot of voters aren't aware. If it's not being blasted on repeat by a news channel, then at least 50% of the electorate has no idea what's happening. We're also so inundated with American politics that Canadian news gets drowned out as well.
  
  Same as universal health care... it was an NDP initiative that the Liberals took nationally.
  Without the NDP, our Liberals suck... which is why I am sad after this election (still happy PP won't be around)

Hopefully Britain follows Canadas footsteps (as we might vote in wish trump)
- What elections are coming up in the UK? I thought Starmer won a majority just last year.
  
  no, but local elections are

The cherry on top:
- I don't know how it works there. Was Pierre running in two races?
  Would there have a special election for this seat if he had won both?
  What are the odds he loses support and goes quiet after losing both, especially his backup incumbent election? (Knowing hard losses used to discourage people, but not always now)
  
  Prime Minister is similar to Speaker of the House- everyone gets elected in their district and then the majority party (or in the case of a ~~functional democracy~~ multi-party system, a coalition of parties that add up to 51% of the elected officials) picks their own Speaker/Prime Minister without further input from the public. In practice, if you're already the party leader then you're sure (95%~) to be the prime minister after your party wins/gets the biggest share in the election
  
  No one actually "runs for Prime Minister". The Prime Minister is simply the leader of the governing party. That is determined by the number of seats each party wins. The PM is almost always an elected MP, but as demonstrated for the past few weeks they don't have to be.

The big key is gonna be if we get that sweet 172 seats with Lib+Green+NDP, we are only 1 seat short
If we hit that mark it means, hilariously, the one single green seat is needed to form a majority government without bloc's help needed
Which will force liberal party to play ball with NDP and Green Party's more progressive policies.
That's our ideal scenario, conservatives are told to go kick rocks, and green/ndp get an actual voice on decision making to push the country in a progressive direction.
One. More. Seat!
- Currently it seems like there is a highly improbable but mathematically possible outcome where the Conservatives and Bloc Québécois form a government. Canada gets to be the 51st state and Quebec gets to be the 52nd state. 💀
  Let's get that last seat! edit: typos
  
  Bloc have endorsed the liberals already, Quebec is extremely anti trump.
  Bloc aligning with conservatives would be political suicide lol.

Electoral Reform will be passed this time.... right?
- It was not in the platform. I'll settle for staying sovereign, maybe we can clean up FPTP later.
- Of course it will .... hahahahaha

Fuck man, I wish I could afford move to Canada right now.
- I can but they won't let my friends in. I didn't realize until I looked into it but national borders are actually quite rigid
  
  You'd have to build new roots in a new place. I'll admit I worry that I'm running out of time for that at my age, or at the very least the window is closing.
  Makes me feel pretty depressed. I'm not super happy with the landscape of people I have to interact with. I have a lot of decent friends but I feel like the number of very close friendships I have is zero due to a lot of major value differences and low population.
- No one can afford to move to Canada. Our housing prices are stupid.
  
  Even more unaffordable for an American. They need to have bankroll to survive a year without income and that includes covering possible medical expenses for 3 months. I have friends who have wanted to move here for years and the hurdles are large even with skills and secondary education. Only those with highly in demand educated skills get an easier path.
  
  No different in America, and corporations are buying up homes so they can jack the prices up even higher. MAGA wants a population of renters so that they can control us by threatening us with homelessness.

Sky news spin: haha, Carney was actually Trump's win! I can't make this shit up (but apparently Sky news can...)
- You’d have to be trying hard to forget your media literacy to think that was spin.
  It’s a device that’s saying the Trump issue is the major one in the election. Trump, and how voters feel about him, is what is driving one party or the other to victory.
  
  I did read the article and indeed the content is about what you say. On the other hand, I don't know if titling this as "Canada might be the second election Trump wins in six months" is an attempt at sarcasm, click-bait or spin (pretending not to know the number of people who will only ever read the title). It's sad that I now I jump directly to believing the latter so I do hope that I'm wrong
- Daddy hasn't told them what to say yet and these kinds of outlets don't know how to think for themselves anymore. And at this point it's pretty much all news outlets based out of the US don't know what to say without him.

Canada should give Trump the Order of Canada for unifying the country. Do it.
- Having a criminal history would likely make him ineligible.
  There's no outright rule against it but several people have been removed from the order for committing crimes.
- Felons aren't allowed in Canada

I wish the reaction to Trump would fuel the left-liberals/social libertarians in Germany. Instead, a quarter of the populace wants to vote for nazis. So I wish I'd live in Canada or some other queer friendly nation that isn't being dominated by the far right right now.
- ...gay space communism FTW!..
  
  Fully automatic gay space luxury communism tyvm
- Because the "left liberals" in Germany are also Nazis arguing that Israel is allowed to kill civilians in Gaza.
- We almost went far right too. Our conservatives aren't nazis but if they won this one we would be following Germany's footsteps
  Also Germany is likely more queer friendly than Canada lol
  
  According to international orgs, Canada is more queer friendly in both public sentiment and legally. Just because violence isnt too common doesn't mean there is no discrimination. As an androgynous presenting person 50% of the time, I have been verbally assaulted plenty of times both by far right and MLs in Germany.

Finally something to celebrate in this general vicinity. Congratulations, Canada.

Meirdas Touch once again. The orange shit stain backs a Con and all voters take that as a sign that the person is a piece of shit and votes opposite.
Sometimes it works nicely.
- Top Poilievre defense he did use a lot of Trump's talking points and techniques. Branding himself as Trump light.
  
  Temu Trump
  
  He showed who he was, and people believed him, as they should.

The only thing I didn't like about the liberals is the needless gun control they enact that basically banned almost all semi-auto rifles and halted new sales on handguns.
Of course I want them to fucking solve the housing crisis. Holy shit! Finding a place to stay is insane. They better do that at least.
- Lets be honest, hand guns were pretty much banned before. Nobody wants to call the cops twice every time they go shooting.
  
  No they were not. And you didn't need to call the cops to go to the shooting range, it is included in the RPAL.

Narrowly.
Are you guys not horrified of what’s happening south? If you interpret this as a win and go on, your country is going to be mega conservative in like a decade.
No, this is an existential crisis, and you need to shut off the propaganda machines before it’s too late.
- Quite true. The reason for celebration is that had the conservatives won they were planning to defund our public broadcaster right off the bat. We need all kinds of reforms but having the CBC around to report on them will be quite important.
- It's after a full decade of Liberal rule. Do you know how hard it is to win after that long being blamed for everyone's problems? This is huge.
- Agreed. Incumbents always do worse in the next election. Makes me shudder to think what the result of the next election is going to be. Trudeau's latest term was really bad and they got no punishment for it whatsoever thanks to the gift from the south. And Canada seems to be moving further and further away from proportional representation. So who will voters swing to next election?
  Great result for today's Canadians. Terrifying result for future Canadians.
  
  I would point out though that a CPC win would have been a terrifying result for future AND current Canadians. So I guess that's a small win?

Really proud of Canada not going down the same path my dumb ass country did
- Hopefully Australia follows suit, as we have our own Temu Trump in opposition coming into our election.
- It wasn't by a large margin.. Canadians are turning fascist just like a lot of other countries.
  
  Until social networks are mare criminally liable for the crap they spew this won’t be turned around.
  
  Yes, we narrowly avoided going down the Trump route this time, but I don't find this picture particularly encouraging (NDP, Green and BQ are the three most progressive parties):
  
  Source: National Post
  It's not straightforward to understand that, since this is a chart of seats not votes, and you can get weird effects with first-past-the-post and strategic voting, but it certainly looks like the electorate is moving rightwards at the expense of progressives.
  
  I’m hoping the margin was tight because most people, even the ones who voted liberal, held their nose as they did it. We don’t like a party being in charge for this long, but the alternative is worse and worse every election. Pierre poilievre was however the worst and most dickish conservative I’ve seen in a while, so I hate how close this was.

this outcome has less to do with trump's actions, and more to do with how the conservatives behaved in spite of those actions.
I think enough people were like me, ready to vote conservative, but then lost faith in the party since they didnt really seem to have a plan on anything once trudeau was gone early. Pollievre's stock tanked once people saw that Trudeau was gone, and what was happening in the world
- I don't know that 'Conservative' exists anymore. I'm American, but I think these comments work everywhere else, as Authoritarianism rises.
  Growing up, I believed that liberal/conservative was just a difference in approach, but not a difference in end-goal. Both 'teams' wanted the country to prosper. In my 40s, now, I clearly see that we have different goals: Liberals want everyone to be prosperous, healthy, fulfilled. Conservatives value the prosperity only of those on top.
  You may identify as conservative, little 'c', respect tradition and be careful with spending, etc; but I want you to closely evaluate the actions of people using that label across the globe. A vote for a conservative or right-wing candidate is a vote for the top 1% or less of the population of the planet. They may align with you on some topics, such as religion, abortion, fiscal policies, regulations, and more; but that is a ploy and they are absolutely willing to throw you away as soon as they have your vote and will cut everything you depend on once in power in order to pad their own pockets.
  There are certainly perverse incentives and systemic issues that make even liberal politicians support bad policies, but the voter bloc that is 'liberal' wants to make things better for everyone. The conservative politicians, at least in the US where I'm paying attention, seem to be hell-bent on making things worse instead.
  This has less to do with Trump's actions, and more to do with how the convervatives behaved...
  
  The line between regressive and conservative is so hard to define. However the former certainly is in ascendancy in America.
- Long as you're voting against fascists man
  
  Poillievre flirted with Trumpian rhetoric though.
  
  I don't want to vote against anybody. Canada forces such decisions, though, just like the US and the UK.
- Genuine question, what initially led you to wanting to vote conservative and what could they have run on for you to have stuck with then?
- Explain how they gained more seats then.
  The conservatives barely lost because the progressives and the BQ voters cut their legs off to hoist up the liberals.
  
  We'll see if the liberals take Quebec for granted like NDP did after Layton.

Honestley, I was going to vote conservative, even after Trump. And then Pollievre went into third gear with Woke Derangement Syndrome, the guy was having unhinged rants. Couldn't get a paragraph out without mentioning woke. Ask him to define it, and he'd either PP.EXE stop responding, or he'd fly off the handle with pre-programmed slogans.
Stupid people on both sides of the race. But that was what turned me.
- I'm curious, what attracted you to the Conservatives prior to the Maple-MAGA movement?
  
  the last 4 elections I'd voted L > C > C > L
  Im a moderate. I thought that the Trudeau Liberals had gone too far left back during the Scheer and Otoole days. Come this time around, I just lost any confidence I had in the Conservative party because they built their identity on "we're not the liberals". and failed to convince me they werent just going to kowtow to American Corpo-Fascist interests.
  But if you would have asked me about specific policies that irked me to turn Conservative during the past .. its been a long time, I'd probably just point to specific times and incidents over the gun policy, immigration, corruption with the SNC lavalin scandal, and maybe foreign policy. I live in a very ignorant and uneducated town in a NS riding that had been pretty hardcore conservative the last 2-3 elections, and my peers probably played a hand in influencing my issues. I thought our riding was solidly going to remain Conservative, CTV projected Cons won, but several hours later they reversed it and Libs have apparentley won it.
  Foreign Policy has always been a major "issue" of mine too, Until 2025 when we were faced with the nonzero possibility of actual aggression and conflict with America, the biggest thing that would influence my vote was how seriously the party was going to take the issue of us being more or less, de-facto at war with Russia, Because the "shadow" World War III is something that in my mind took precedent.

Australian chiming in here and we have an election in a few days time.
The current Opposition Leader is running on a platform of Trump Wannabee.
I really really hope our country tells him to stick it up his fucking ass.
- rooting for you aussies. Love and strength from Germany <3
  
  Cheers dude. We have to come together across all borders to end this shit.

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